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Bowstring Badass · Dec 24, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

This thread is /fail..

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Sorry, but this is a once-a-year FUN event. Makes me barf when people get all serious about it

/win imo...

ensoriki · Dec 24, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Theres nothing serious to be taken.
Put yellow snow at one activation
Grenth's yellow snow sucking has been heard EVERY year
1 second activation.
Discussion over

/lock

Kha · Dec 24, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

I don't believe in overpowered anything. Just people wanting an excuse for losing. Conditions can be removed so why is cripple an issue? Tell you what. Let's nerf the duration of Holiday Blues next. The Ice Fort wammos who stand in it thinking they're immortal will get killed by it.

This proves nothing. Of course Grenth's side can beat Dwayna's. Of course Grenth teams have a chance to have a flawless victory. It happens. There are more factors than just balance that determine these things (number of players that actually are playing, lag, experience of players, teamwork, players actually getting presents and not just killing, etc).

But the truth is that Avalanche > Yellow Snow. There can be no questioning this when someone who has even the slightest clue about skills looks at them. How much does this factor into the actual game chances of winning/losing? It's impossible to say. But the fact of the matter is that if you have two teams that are fairly even at teamwork/knowledge of Snowball Arena, then most likely Dwayna's team is going to win because their special skill becomes more vital for an arena based on movement. Long casting time, cancelling of Hidden Rock, and use of disease all make Yellow Snow undesirable to use.

As many have said, 1 sec cast will make a big difference in how effective Yellow Snow is. Of course ANet doesn't care though because if it's not GW2 or high-level PvP, why balance it? People care about Snowball Arena because they want Gamer Points and want to have fun, but apparently they don't matter because they aren't farming DoA or GvGing or something...

Brett Kuntz · Dec 24, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

First off, the two skills are balanced, they just have completely different strategies. Avalanche's strategy is pretty straight forward, so any idiot can figure out how to use it decently, whereas Yellow Snow takes much more skill to use properly, and incorrect use will hurt you more then help. You just need more practice, then you'll understand why Yellow Snow is really effective.

Fitz Rinley · Dec 24, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

It's a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing holiday arena. Just play it for a laugh.

Playing it for a laugh would mean it has no other value. Because it is about the only way to get any shards for whatever - it ceases to be played for a laugh. Shards drop about as often as Greater Guardian Spears. They are so rare as drops that you are FORCED to PvP for them. That makes it serious. The quests for them take so long as to be unworth the time. In about 3 hours you can find your 6 presents for Kringle, and that is if you are constantly tapping the *;* to make the blank box show up. Between quests and drops I have managed to get about 50 since all this started. That is piss poor pitiful crap for something that is supposed to be increasing *fun*. When you can't get shit it is not fun.

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Originally Posted by kunt0r

First off, the two skills are balanced, they just have completely different strategies. Avalanche's strategy is pretty straight forward, so any idiot can figure out how to use it decently, whereas Yellow Snow takes much more skill to use properly, and incorrect use will hurt you more then help. You just need more practice, then you'll understand why Yellow Snow is really effective.

If you are getting a college degree, or certified professionally in Snowball Arena fighting tactics then memorizing the intricate effects of temporary once a year skills (among the 1200 plus skills in game) might make sense. As this is Not the point to peoples incomes - but their entertainment, setting up junk that is imbalanced at basic play level is inappropriate. If the Arenas were not the primary way to obtain shards because the drop ratios (on almost everything anyway) are useless to players that are not pimps (street corner salesmen) or ebaying for gold so they can afford 100k+250 ecto purchases twice a week (yes - Slight exageration) then it wouldnt matter. The difference is a game to include casual players or not - and in fun based holiday arenas requiring professional level Elite play to use skills overwhich you have no choice about is also inappropriate.

Kha · Dec 24, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by kunt0r

First off, the two skills are balanced, they just have completely different strategies. Avalanche's strategy is pretty straight forward, so any idiot can figure out how to use it decently, whereas Yellow Snow takes much more skill to use properly, and incorrect use will hurt you more then help. You just need more practice, then you'll understand why Yellow Snow is really effective.

Use/strategy isn't the point. Both are effective. The imbalance comes from Yellow Snow having too many drawbacks for use. The penalty is far more than it should be.

dread pirate fargus · Dec 24, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

lol QQ moar.

its just a bit of fun, do you HAVE to take it so serious?

Kha · Dec 24, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus

lol QQ moar.

its just a bit of fun, do you HAVE to take it so serious?

People care about different things in the game. Do you HAVE to waste your time posting in a thread you don't care about? Sounds like you have nothing better to do with your time.

Brett Kuntz · Dec 24, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by Kha

Use/strategy isn't the point. Both are effective. The imbalance comes from Yellow Snow having too many drawbacks for use. The penalty is far more than it should be.

Like any other skill in the game, stay away from the drawbacks and abuse the benefits. When we used to play SB arena, we'd go on consec streaks untill we got bored, never comming close to losing. Yellow Snow is really effective because everyone (even then) thought it wasn't, so nobody gave it much thought.

Fitz Rinley · Dec 24, 2007, 02:20 AM // 02:20

If yellow snow were a poison effect - then it would be worth the drawbacks. Not as a disease effect.

maraxusofk · Dec 24, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28

w/e yeah the avalanche is better. so wut? thats like saying the monk and rt only snowball atks are 40x better than everything else. just play the game since it isnt gonna last long.

Moonlit Azure · Dec 24, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06

QQ

mortis corpus · Dec 24, 2007, 05:18 AM // 05:18

personally thank you for the laugh, cause i have never had a good chuckle on a game, please what is next were going to nerf Holiday Blues cause of the the negitive degen please move on

Moonlit Azure · Dec 24, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Lulz kids h3r3s how to nerf holiday blu3s:

pr3ss w,s,d,or a. loolz!1!q

KANE OG · Dec 24, 2007, 06:00 AM // 06:00

Does not need balancing.

Needs more people with skill on BOTH sides.... because ALL of you suck at any form of PvP other than events. GG

KANE

Jetdoc · Dec 24, 2007, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by Kha

People care about Snowball Arena because they want Gamer Points and want to have fun, but apparently they don't matter because they aren't farming DoA or GvGing or something...

Last I checked, MOST people that are playing Snowball Arena are having a blast. I would gather that it is the very, very, very small minority that is not having fun in Snowball Arena due to Yellow Snow having a 2 second cast.

Yes, the molehill may seem like a mountain, if you look at it with a microscope...

Sol Deathgard · Dec 24, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by mastermaxx1

Yellow Snow removes a condition making it the only way to remove conditions in the Snowball fights. Hidden rock is for one snowball. Just throw a snowball before using yellow snow and you won't have a problem. Plus, it's random! Sometimes you'll be on Grenth, sometimes you'll be on Dwayna! I think it's fair already. It doesn't matter if you're on Dwayna or Grenth if your team can't work together. That's really what it comes down to.

Darn, you posted it before I could.

Sol Deathgard · Dec 24, 2007, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Because it is about the only way to get any shards for whatever

funny, you mean the stack of 250 shards I got farming skulls & necklaces in the last 3 days where my imagination? I mean I do have a vivid imagination but wow, I could've sworn they where real.

/sarcasm

Now find another excuse to whine.